Wednesday, January 13, 2010

History of vokkaliga

Gounder: title origins

The title Gounder is used with various regional variations by distinct castes.The title originally meant the feudal lords of villages.The root word is either Kavunda கவுண்ட or Gowda கவுட,the ண் N aspirant sometimes avoided.This system of administration was started mainly by the great king of the Ganga dynasty,Durvinita.This post of a village headman was usually given to the warrior clans of this region and mostly fell to the erstwhile Gangakula to which Durvinita himself belonged to.Later various other regional kings and castes adopted this title for various reasons.The main castes which are called typical Gounder and Gowda. Both claim descendant from the Ganga clan.The Vokkaligas settled in Tamilnadu call use the title of Gounder as likewise do the Gounders in Karnataka where they are called Tamil Gowdas; thus distinguished to be kin communities.

India is known for its diversity of climate soils, vegetations, animals, peoples, cultures and languages. According to the British Historian abert of 56 kings who ruled the country 26 were kannadigas of okkaligas origin. They were considered as aborgins and belonged totamulic family is they were originated from the Himalayan range .Tamulic become Dravidian originated from Sanskrit after bishop Caldwell okkaligas (means oil-lamp) is not a caste in those days as Hinduism and the name denoted their origin from the milk dropping that were showered over the lingams by kamadenu and also by their profession of framing, they are also called as kamukula okkaliya kappu and ku.Kappu as they strictly followed the guidelines of the chief of the group.




The casteless communes of the human society in India un those days met a division perhaps with the invasion of Aryans and grouped into four social strata groups. Each of the stratum group was assigned with the particular work to do for the welfare of communes as honey bees and other social insects are doing without exploting each other. This system helped greatly to develop knowledge and skill among the group or family generation after generation, as there was no well-oaganized human society to any one irrespective of cast and creed for govermance of the society. The social system with the division of labour might have worked efficiently in those days when the population was minimum and is considered as the farunner for development of caste system in the country. This system-helped invasion by other, sloweo down the development and also paved the way of exploitation by a mighty one with in and outside the caste in the kaliugam. The okkaligas commune was also become one among several ‘castes’ in the society of India due to the influence of this system. The people of this community are living in different parts of India with a sizable population in Andra Pradesh, Karnataka and tamilnadu in the diverse habitats.

The history of okkaligas dates back to epic era of kieredha-tieredha-duvabaraugam.. They were born at the dawn of duvabaraugam from the milk dropinds of kamadenu lactated over lingams.. They were 48 in numbers named after their quality and physics leading a chaste,disciplined harmonious life in the forest area of the Himalayan range. These 48 person s (Table 1) aer consider as fore fathers of the morden okkaliya community. Among them avunavaru, Babavanaru, Basalenavaru, Emmenavaru, Dasalenavaru, Hundennavaru, Jaladennavaru, janakalinnavaru got married to none beautiful girls of shri Krishna Kula Nagakanni set of Yadhava community and rest of them were married to the offspring of these couples by strictly following the system of the brotherhood as decided earlier by gob nandhi perumal and had very pleasant life at this habitat..

The historical evidences show that the okkaligas lived in the region of punjap, rajapunthanam (rajasthan), delhi, Gujarat, Bengal and regions lying between ganga and yamunna rivers as farmers. It is painful to know that a hindu king chandragupta-II went against okkaligas through war that forced the foeceless okkaligas to migrate to other places in north. The hindu kingdoms in olden India were subsequently replaced by invading nawabs who were cruel to the hindu community. The arrocities committed on the hindu population by the nawabs of different regions of north and central India compled them to move to the thungabadra river area in the south through mazhava, birar , and bhamini stats nearer to golkonda lying on the south of the Krishna river after remaining for some periods at these places. The river thungabdra was in spate at the time of they arriavle and found difficult to cross. The prayers and sacrifice made by janakkallar enable them to reach other side of the river. According to the other version of the archeological department of coimbatore one of the chieftains, Jallathipparaya (Jallam=water, thipparaya=return back) was responsible for getting them to oyher side of Tungabadra River through his prayers and sacrifice. The crossing of the River was remembred on 18th of addi month of every year by conducting annual festivals and offering prayers to kula devathaigal. It is being followed even now to commemorate this event and also for the prosperity modern society knowingly or unknowingly to mark the event of sacrifice made on this day by jannakkalar that enableb his community people to cross the thungabadra river safely and flourished wherever they settled

They moved beyond Thungabadra River down South and settled in a group in aplacecalled NandanaHousur.According to The Hyderabad gazeteer and Arekaree Allakur Gazeteer kunchitikas population was found to exist at Godhavari rei\gion in A.D .8 and 10th centuries. The political and communal disturbances that possibly took place in latter date at Nandana Hosur forced many families of Okkaligas to leave to other places. According to the Etriographical suevey of mysore the kunchitika okkaligas were engaged in agriculture and armoury in the krishnadevarayar’s kingdom and some of them were moved to west (Maharastra region) in 1224 and to tamilnadu after thalaikottai war held in 1565. They were also emigrated to east (orissa, Bengal then called as Gowda Desam in those days) from thungabadra area for settlements. Wherever they went they architected an “ammasimane” in thein settlements and accommodated their Kula devathigal. The people of okkaligar community who settled in different places of south and from other states used to pry visit on pilgrimage to ammasimane and also contact jathri once in 12 years and offer their respective Kula Deities as preached by jannakkallar.

The names of the individuals of original 48 persons of okkaligas latter became the nam,e of Kulams (goth rams) to identify the generations developed through each of these individuals.The wives of these people where worishiped as family deitics latter eras at various settlements.

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  1. Looking at these postings, it looks like the community people are more active in TN rather than Karnataka, their supposed home land. Also, being a Kunchitiga, native of Bangalore, Karnataka (origins in Chitradurga and Tumkur Districts) just a general observation - The Kunchitigas in Karnataka are traditionally considered as one of the sub-castes of Vokkaligas/Gowdas. However, Vokkaligas/Gowdas community in Karnataka is diverse and includes many culturally divergent communities with similar socio-economic background. Considering their history and culture, Kunchitigas, for me looks like unrelated to other Vokkaligas/Gowdas of Karnataka except for their profession i.e., agriculture. But I am surprised to know that the Vokkaligars/Goundars of Tamil Nadu are the same Kunchitigas of Karnataka considering their history and culture. I assume they are same because the names of 48 Kula/Gothras practised are still the same for Kunchitigas of Karnataka and Vokkaligars/Goundars of Tamil Nadu (provided the information/postings here are true). The establishment of this relationship i.e., Kunchitigas of Karnataka and Vokkaligars/Goundars of Tamil Nadu are same will be an interesting topic of research if someone wants to pursue it.
    Thoughts and comments from the community are welcome.
    Regards
    K. Murthy, Bangalore
    Email: Karunakara.mk@gmail.com

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    1. This is wrong information. Kongu vellalars are completely different frown vokkaligas. Gounder gowda pronounciation alone won't make both similar.

      Customs of both castes are different. Kongu vellalars were corronated and moved to kongu region during chola period. They are pure tamils.

      Gowdas customs are different and they are pure kannadigas. Vokkaligas has different beliefs of their histories like 48000 men deployed by God to save cows milk or providing one iron rod to a small king harsavardhan,etc.

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  2. Dear Sri. Murthy,
    As I understand from my observations in Tamil Nadu, the tamil speaking Kaundars(They cannot even pronounce the word Gaunda rather they call kavunda)and Kannada speaking Vokkaliga Gowdars are different linguistically and socio-culturally.In fact among the kannada speaking Gowdas sankrit names are more common and the degree of Sanskritisation is much higher. In spite of that by occupation both groups are cultivators.
    In Tamil Nadu Vokkaligas live in Coimbatore, Erode,Dharmapuri, Dindugul and Cumbam Districts. In Coimbatore and Erode districts Gangatkar, Gudi Vokkaligar, and Keeraikkara Vokkaligar are living in large numbers. Some of them were elected as MLAs of Mettuppalayam, Thodamuththur, Sathyamangalam constituencies of Tamil Nadu Assembly.
    The Kuchatika sub-caste of Vokkaliga with 48 Kulas are found in Dindugal and Cumbam Districts of Tamil Nadu. One peculiar feature of the culture of Kunchatika vokkaligas is that in Marriage ceremony they donot tie Mangala Sutra(tali or bottu).

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  3. vokkaligas means nothing but Vellala which means agriculturist, gowda or gounder means leader. kongu vellala gounder and vokkaligas are kin community

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    1. I do totally agree with you Mr. Thiyagarajan. But the most basic difference is that Vokkaligas speak modified Kannada in their home and displaced community from Karnataka region, Their forefathers were originally from Himalayan ranges and worshiped Lord Shiva and Natures. Due to the atrocities mainly committed mughals and Aryan invaders initially they have been displaced from place to place throughout India and part of them living in Tamilnadu and especially in Cumbam and Kudalur regions.
      Apart from this I do not find any difference between Kong Vellalars and Vokkaligars.

      P. Palanichamy

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    2. This is wrong information. Kongu vellalars are completely different frown vokkaligas. Gounder gowda pronounciation alone won't make both similar.

      Customs of both castes are different. Kongu vellalars were corronated and moved to kongu region during chola period. They are pure tamils.

      Gowdas customs are different and they are pure kannadigas. Vokkaligas has different beliefs of their histories like 48000 men deployed by God to save cows milk or providing one iron rod to a small king harsavardhan,etc.

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  4. PLEASE PROVIDE TAMILNADU OKKALIGA PERSONALITIES DETAILS

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  5. You can easily relate Ganga Kula - Kongu Vellala Gounders(Kavundars) and Gangatkar Vokkaliga Gowdas. The word Ganga in them denotes their relation!
    --> River Kaaviri was born out of the Sage Agasthya's Kamandalam that contained waters of river Ganga!

    --> Kaaviri flows in Kongu Region(Coimbatore, Erode, Tiruppur, Salem, Namakkal, Karur, Dharmapuri, Krishnagiri, Pazhani Districts of Tamilnadu and parts of Karnataka like Mysore, Banglore, Mandya and Chamrajnagar was called as "Kongu Naadu" or "Western Ganga").--> So it is called Kongu derived from Ganga.

    --> People of this region are Tamil speaking Kongu Vellalars(Ganga Kulam) and Gangatkars(Kannada Speaking) communities.

    --> Sage Agsthya brought Velirs(belala-yadava) from Dwaraka. In Mahabharatham it is said that people of Dwaraka originally inhabited Gangetic Region. Then they later moved to Dwaraka under Lord Krishna and then to South with Sage Agasthya.

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    1. This is wrong information. Kongu vellalars are completely different frown vokkaligas. Gounder gowda pronounciation alone won't make both similar.

      Customs of both castes are different. Kongu vellalars were corronated and moved to kongu region during chola period. They are pure tamils.

      Gowdas customs are different and they are pure kannadigas. Vokkaligas has different beliefs of their histories like 48000 men deployed by God to save cows milk or providing one iron rod to a small king harsavardhan,etc.

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    2. Dwaraka is in the edge of gujarat which is west, ganga originates from rishikesh which is north. See Google maps.

      I belong to kongu vellala community. Our history is different and even kambar sung on kongu vellalars and their customs not on vokkaligas.


      Don't spread wrong information

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  6. The languages are just a geographical factor. The languages doesn't separate people. Any one who can master a language has the rights over that language to speak, write and relate them to it just like a person who buys a property owns it. We people just love our languages so much that we relate ourselves to specific languages and fight with each other. Tamil and Kannada are just evolution of human speech. May be the timeline varies. So never confuse languages with races. If you find any differences among people it is just a matter of time and distance that are responsible for it but we are same.

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  7. Also you people should understand that Hinduism is a newly coined term, just a century old term that commonly denotes the culture and practices of Indian sub-continent. So Hinduism is not a religion. Sanathaanam is the name of Indian Religion. It serves as the base of Indian culture. The uniqueness is it literally means "Eternal". It is very general term yet very simply explains the concept of Hinduism. The only eternal thing is Truth. Finding out the Truth is the true religion. Any path that leads you to the light of truth is Sanaathan dharma. That is the religion of India. It cannot be called as a religion but a way of life. So Hinduism is Sanaathan. It is for all. It is Eternal. It is also called as Sanmaargam or Sathyamaargam.

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  8. Namskaragalu

    The article is too good,Still people having self-esteem,women welfare,leadership qualities,live with dignity means only Vokkaligas which state may be.

    Here I want to raise few queries.

    1)Non of the Vokkaligas Played cricket for Tamilnandu.All Bramin dominance.
    eg:Kishnamachari Srikanth,Sadagopan Ramesh,Abinav mukud,Murali Vijay etc...
    2)In Kaveri water issue Tamil politician making you poppets.Non of the Vokkaliga or farmer wants
    others Crop to die,Instead of going to Supreme court or Tribunal, We farmers can sit and talk and
    come to mutual agreement.This is the best possible solution.Both state Politicians won't make it
    possible.
    3)Mysore Wodayers treated every body impartially.

    Our Unity is the strength.

    Love me or Hate me but don't ignore me.

    This is my humble request as Vokkaliga.

    If possible please reply me.

    Your faithfully.
    Pradeep Agile Rajegowda.

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    1. 1) I hope any one who is talented gets the chance to play from and for Tamil nadu. Sadly brahmin dominance prevents this from happening. This must be checked.
      2) Kaviri issue:- Happy that you people are ready to discuss and decide. I want you people to think of our rights too and support your fellow farmer community here!
      3)Hope Gangadikas and Gangakula Vellalas to unite too! We are your contemporaries ands kins.

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  9. Even people who are believed to be from one of the native Tamil castes cannot rule Tamilnadu except Kaamaraajar. This is such a distant dream in Tamilnadu. In Karnataka it is Gowdas vs Lingayats but In Tamil Nadu - Gounders, Vanniyars, Thevars, Nadars and Dalits on other side. So there is enough ground to play caste politics here.

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    1. No sir, in Karnataka it is lingayat, kuruba and a gowda they form the 3 largest group in population and kannda devanga and kannada kuruba community who r also present in Tamil Nadu . Kannada brahmins are six prevent among kannada people being kannada as mother tongue, they form highest Brahmin population even among south brahmin yet they r not in ruling position. Caste index in kannada is more but it's upper caste is always on hold.

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  10. Kannada Vokkaliga Gowda and Kongu vellala Gounders are one and the same except Language. Ganga dynasty's Capital was Thalakadu which is very close to Mysore on the Bank of Cauvery River.Thsy ruled more than 859 years. Last Rani Alumelamma who cursed Vodeyars of Mysore still it is continuing that.

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    1. This is wrong information. Kongu vellalars are completely different frown vokkaligas. Gounder gowda pronounciation alone won't make both similar.

      Customs of both castes are different. Kongu vellalars were corronated and moved to kongu region during chola period. They are pure tamils.

      Gowdas customs are different and they are pure kannadigas. Vokkaligas has different beliefs of their histories like 48000 men deployed by God to save cows milk or providing one iron rod to a small king harsavardhan,etc.

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  11. Kannada Vokkaliga Gowda and Kongu vellala Gounders are one and the same except Language. Ganga dynasty's Capital was Thalakadu which is very close to Mysore on the Bank of Cauvery River.Thsy ruled more than 859 years. Last Rani Alumelamma who cursed Vodeyars of Mysore still it is continuing that.

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  12. Kongu represents gangavlulam...this what they used to say when asked about Kongu..incidently founder of gangs dynasty was called konguni madhavq..

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  14. Kongu represents gangakulam...this what they used to say when asked about Kongu..incidently founder of gangs dynasty was called konguni madhavq..

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  15. Gavundar is the word used in Tamil..not gounder...

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  16. Gavunda is the me mentioned in western ganga dynasty inscriptions..chk western ganga dynasty administration for details

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  17. http://202.138.101.165/gazetteer/GazetteerMandya2009/Chapter-2.pdf

    search kongu and gavunda.. in this article..

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  18. kongu tamil word or kannada word...

    kindly search kongu and gavunda.. in the following page..

    https://archive.org/stream/epigraphiacarna00survgoog/epigraphiacarna00survgoog_djvu.txt

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  19. But Chandragupta2 and other Gupta gings are from vaidya/vaidya clan.
    This is a well established fact.
    They hailed from Bengal.

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  20. But Chandragupta2 and other Gupta gings are from vaidya/vaidya clan.
    This is a well established fact.
    They hailed from Bengal.

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  22. Dear Vokkaliga Gowda Peoples,

    Vokkaliga found mainly in the Old Mysore Region.The Vokkaliga are primarily cultivators.The peoples living in Dindigul ,Theni,Coimbatore,Erode and Dharmapuri Distrcits..

    i have small doubt...

    How many sub groups (kulam)available in Vokkaliga Gowda Communities...

    Why should not wear the tahli in marriage function...

    thanks dear,

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  23. Hi, nice article about the Vokkaliga people. I am a socio-linguistic surveyor and interested in having a research in Vokkaliga language. Do vokkaliga people have a specific mother tongue ?

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  24. precisely speaking the Vokkaliga community or caste was prevailing even during the Era of DWAPARA YUGA. As per somany evidences. For example the Pandavas of Kuru Dynasty{vamsha} after completion of 12 years of their VANAVASA they were under the stage of Disguise[AJNATHAVASA] for a period of One More year as per the Kauravas agreement, as narrated in the MAHABHARATHA Mythological EPIC of Kurukshetra. At that time of their Ajnathavasa period of one year they were suppose to hide their costumes and armaments. As such they hiddenly kept preserved their Kingly costumes and Armaments on the BANNI MARA[TREE]grown on the cultivated land belonged to HONNE GOWDA the VOKKALIGA Ryot of the VIRATA KINGDOM.

    Later on earlier to the period of BHAGVAN BUDDHA i.e.during 600 to 700 B.C. Vokkaligas were the dominators ruling the entire continent of Asia the then calledKOSALA KINGDOM/EMPIRE One of the Emperors/Kings was SUDDHODANA CHAKRAVARTHI the father of Sidddhartha,[BUDDHA]. The Queen's name was MAAYADEVI[the mother of Siddhartha alias Buddha. Ofcourse the EMBLEM OF THE KINGDOM WAS THE GOLDEN PLOUGH['HONNERU or HEMAHALA']. So, Siddartha alias Buddha was one hundred percent VOKKALIGA.

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  25. Certainly on the occasion of the marriage of Vokkaligas the groom will have to tie up the Thali[mangalya] to the neck of the bride which is a MUST CUSTOM from the long ago.
    The Kannada and Tamil Languages are one at the same when the originated. For example : The Old Kannada terms Paalum [milk] is later modified as Haalu[milk]and Palam[fruit] was modified as Hannu[fruit] and followed by a group of people in Karnataka[Old Mysuru State]since thousands of years. As such the other group of people who stayed around Tamilnadu state retained the Paalu and Palam to be called as Tamil language. Hence, the Tamil Language is the daughter of the Kannada Language. the Mothertongues of Vokkaliga community are both KANNADA & TAMIL. So, the Tamil language and the Kannada Language is the languages of one Family and Two brothers, who were seperated only from the point of view of geographically and not separated Genelogically.

    One more important thing is The Tamilnadu and the Tamil people

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  26. one more important thing is that the Tamilnadu and the Tamil people were once ruled by the Ganga dynasty of Mysuru Kingdom when Talakadu was the capital of them for more tha 900 years. Their mother tongue was KANNADA.

    one more important and wonderful historical fact is that the founder of CHENNAI city is a KANNADA VOKKALIGA BY NAME CHANNA who is the 2nd son of CHANNARAYA GOWDA originally from Hassan-Chikmagalur Malnad[Western ghats lands]landscape area. The history narrates the fact that Thousands of years ago Channaraya Gowda had Two sons by name Channappa and Channegowda. One's they were made to leave their native place due to mis placement of domestic animals when they grained in the field. consequently, both Channappa and Channegowda brothers left their village towards south. First of all they reached a plain region and lived for a short period by cultivating food grains and constructing huts for their livelihood and established that place as CHANNARAYA Village later on called ChannarayaPATTANA IN THE Memory OF THEIR FATHER. Further, they moved towards Bengaluru and stayed somewhere near to Bidadi and established CHANNA village later on called as ChannaPATTANA. Further they went on moving till the sea shore comes and when they found that they could not move further they stopped permanently and dwelled/lived more than 68 years together and named that sea shore as CHANNA VILLAGE, which later on called as CHANNA and consequently named as CHANNAI in tamil style. So, all the three place viz, Channarayapattana, Channapattana and Channa[channai] was established from CHANNAPPA AND CHANNEGOWDA BROTHERS who were the sons of CHANNARAYA GOWDA.

    WHEN THE BRITISHERS came to india after the invasion of others like Portugese, Dutch and French. Every people used to call Chennai only. but the Cheaters and Crooked Britishers called after looking at the PUTUGOSI[kacche paade] a piece of cloth wore by the sea shore people living in Channai as MAD DRESS and subsequently CALLED AS 'MADRAS' till the change ofits name to the original one as it was named by the Channappa and Channegowda brothers the sons of Channaraya gowda.

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  27. ....when they grained in the field should be corrected as "when they were grazing the cattles in their field"

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  28. Although there are some other communities in india living different districts and states are agreed as everybody belong to one community. what is reason for finding the small differences and variations to divert our whole name vokkaliga. Differences in habits may be there,try to bring all our district and state and indian vokkaliagars come under one umberlla. BE PROVED WE ARE VOKKALIGAS.

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  29. of course, i on behalf of world wide vokkaligas proud to accept that let ALL VOKKALIGAS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD BE UNDER ONE ROOF i.e. let all the vokkaligas be united and fight for the good words and deeds and also think universally as VISHWA MANAVA and let us propaganda the notation of MANUJA MATHA VISHWA PATHA as declared or pronounced by RASHTRAKAVI [JNANA PEETHA AWARDEE] K.V.PUTTAPPA [KU.VEM.PU.] long ago. let all the great vokkaligas swear to fight for the Peace and prosperous of the entire world and treat the human community as one community but dare enough to fight against the TERRORISM even at the cost of our life. because the terrorism/terrorists are the FIRST AND FOREMOST enemies of all community/caste people living in different title throughout globe. JAI VOKKALIGA JAI KANNADA JAI HIND, JAI KARNATAKA AND JAI BHARATH AND JAI WORLD, DOWN DOWN TERRORISM/TERRORISTS

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  30. Dear Shri Kumarakavi Natraj.,
    Hat's of to your deep study on our 'VOKKALIGA COMMUNITY'sir,which is helpful to the community people,who are interested to researh on our vokkaliga community
    ancistres.
    Including me, lot of our educated community people are eagerly searching the informations,so your informations are really very useful for further study.
    I will also quote some known informations
    in feature.
    Your's
    K T Ramalinge Gowda,.

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  32. This is Ranjith Kumar from Theni(District),Tamilnadu. On behalf of Tamilnadu Vokkaliga community we are developing a Matrimonial website(http://okkaligarmanamalai.com/)

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  33. Kannada vokkaliga Gowdas and Tamil kongu vellala Gounders(Gowndars) are 100% same...Both belong to Solar Dynasy only...Same Heritage....

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    1. Dear MrAaryan ,
      Pl try to collect evidences for your point, also refer one IAS officer Mr Balakrishnan's findings (who is a Telugu Raju from southern Tamil ) regarding the spread of Kongu vellalars up to present day Pak.Afghan border ,regards
      Senapathy ,CH

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    5. Nayak that term derived from Sanskrit it was directly adopted by Telug.nayak which means in both language used in leaders of army head and leaders of land(feudal) very long time Kannada vokkaliga also used the term nayak after arrival of viyjayanagar nayak rule under in Karnataka but vokkaliga belonged to Kannada clan both gowda kongu vellala goundar are same one race because both races were originated from kongani clan kongani is related to Tamil and Kannada the term kongu derived from kangu it referred to kanga kulam founder and Gouda both of them same clan under evidence both caste are following to 48 sub kothrams kamindan ,goundan,goudan in that terms refers from ko(komatha)(komiam) cow rears of kongu that words latterly developed to gowda and goundar both groups evolved in kanga vadi or konga vadi at thalaikotta the kongu rejoin in south india founded in area of Coimbatore(tamilnadu) ooty(tn)erode (tn) mysore(ka)mandia(ka)kudagu or koorg and kongani one part of goa

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    6. Nayak that term derived from Sanskrit it was directly adopted by Telug.nayak which means in both language used in leaders of army head and leaders of land(feudal) very long time Kannada vokkaliga also used the term nayak after arrival of viyjayanagar nayak rule under in Karnataka but vokkaliga belonged to Kannada clan both gowda kongu vellala goundar are same one race because both races were originated from kongani clan kongani is related to Tamil and Kannada the term kongu derived from kangu it referred to kanga kulam founder and Gouda both of them same clan under evidence both caste are following to 48 sub kothrams kamindan ,goundan,goudan in that terms refers from ko(komatha)(komiam) cow rears of kongu that words latterly developed to gowda and goundar both groups evolved in kanga vadi or konga vadi at thalaikotta the kongu rejoin in south india founded in area of Coimbatore(tamilnadu) ooty(tn)erode (tn) mysore(ka)mandia(ka)kudagu or koorg and kongani one part of goa

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